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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:25 am 
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One day in late June, while surfing mindlessly around the web, I fell over Chip Etier's essay, "Bettie Page: The Pin-Up Queen of the Universe," posted here:

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/bettie-page-the-pin-up-queen

One thing led to another and Chip wondered if I'd like to do an interview to help with a pending Bettie assignment. I suggested that we do it "Bettie Page style" by creating an online thread involving group participation.

One of Chip's tasks involves writing about Dark Horse's Dave Stevens inspired figurine, Bettie Page: Girl of Our Dreams. Read its background here:

http://www.bettiepagemovie.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=336

Chip will be posting questions in this thread. Please jump in and help him out!


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Re: Help Chip Plumb Bettie's Depths
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:36 pm 
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First question: Did you (or any of our readers) get to meet Bettie Page in person? or Dave Stevns, or sculptor, Kent Melton?

Any personal stories or anecdotes about any of the three would be helpful.

Thanks!

FCEtier, aka "Chip"


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Re: Help Chip Plumb Bettie's Depths
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:14 pm 
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Hi, Chip! Welcome to the Forum.

Believe it or not, not all passionate fans wanted to meet Bettie.

Here's the recap we posted about Herb's decision to keep Bettie as his fantasy figure:

http://www.bettiepagemovie.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=107&p=354


As you may know, though Greg Theakston, of THE BETTY PAGES, spoke with Bettie on the phone, he never met her. Greg wrote an article about it in TEASE #8. Read it here:

http://www.bettiepagemovie.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=240&p=1215&hilit=tease+%238#p1215

Only Greg can tell you whether that story is true or apocryphal. After Bettie transitioned from being an in-patient to an out-patient in 1992, she did not live in a trailer.

In the thread where Greg's TEASE/trailer story is hyperlinked, you can read about how his story likely affected content in a major reporter's Bettie article.


Obviously, Mark Mori met Bettie because of her decision to let him tell her life story.


Steve Brewster, President of the Bettie Scouts of America (Bettie's original authorized fan club), had ongoing phone contact with Bettie, and traveled to California to spend three days with her in August, 1999. He posted a lengthy recap to the Bettie Scouts. Will see if he wants to re-post that here, or give you an abbreviated version.


Regarding Dave Stevens.... There are people from the Bettie Scouts who had contact with him. Here's hoping they'll share their stories with you.

Herb and I met Stevens at the first -- and only (as far as I know) -- unofficial Bettie Scouts gathering. It took place at Chicago Comic Con -- pre-Wizard incarnation. My fingers and toes are crossed that someone can dig up an old calendar with the date. It was the summer of 1993, to the best of my recollections.

A photo of part of the group was printed in FOND MEMORIES.

James Swanson, Bettie's first agent, came with Bettie's nephew, Kevin Page. Bob Schultz of FOND MEMORIES (Bettie's authorized fanzine) flew in from Seattle. Joe Anderko, Co-Editor of THE BETTY PAGES, joined the group. Assorted Bettie Scouts came, too, including at least a couple from Canada. And, Dave Stevens flew in for the gathering, taking a table in Artists' Alley.

We all went to dinner together; unfortunately, I had to bail from dinner because Dave Stevens -- and others -- were chain smokers. Herb did stay, though. Dave agreed to review a tape of a workshopped version of Herb's Bettie performance piece. Herb cherishes the letter he received from Dave after watching the show.


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On April 16, 2010, at Chicago's C2E2 convention, Herb interviewed David Scroggy. He's Vice President of Product Development for Dark Horse Comics. It was one of the "Herb Interviews" series for BETTIE PAGE REVEALS ALL.

Attached is a screenshot from that interview, showing Dark Horse's display case.

Scroggy mentioned that he spoke with Bettie a couple of times on the phone. To use quotes or images from Herb's interview, you will need permission from Mark Mori.


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File comment: Dark Horse's display case at C2E2, showing their Bettie Page summer, 2010 releases: giftware and "Girl of Our Dreams" figurine. (From research for BettiePageMovie.com)

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Thanks for all the great info and resources!


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Re: Help Chip Plumb Bettie's Depths
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Several references have been made to the influence of Dave Stevens in recent spikes in interest in Bettie Page.
Other than the movie (with Gretchen Mol et al) can you point to other factors that would be of interest to readers?
I purchased a BP t-shirt from Hot Topics retail store a few years ago. Is there a driving force behind retailers interest?

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:25 pm 
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FCEtier wrote:
Several references have been made to the influence of Dave Stevens in recent spikes in interest in Bettie Page.
Other than the movie (with Gretchen Mol et al) can you point to other factors that would be of interest to readers?
I purchased a BP t-shirt from Hot Topics retail store a few years ago. Is there a driving force behind retailers interest?

As the computer on STAR TREK used to proclaim:

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Re: Help Chip Plumb Bettie's Depths
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:16 am 
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Patti wrote:
Steve Brewster, President of the Bettie Scouts of America (Bettie's original authorized fan club), had ongoing phone contact with Bettie, and traveled to California to spend three days with her in August, 1999. He posted a lengthy recap to the Bettie Scouts. Will see if he wants to re-post that here, or give you an abbreviated version.

Steve Brewster granted permission to let you have a copy of his BSA post, if it will help your essay. I'm not sure how much of it will serve your needs.

Most of it was about how/why he raised the money for the trip, and what he did during his road trip (Kansas City to L.A.) to meet Bettie. Perhaps you'd be interested in reading what initially occurred when he showed up at Bettie's residence. If so, please let me know.

Details from Steve about his time with Bettie were posted in other Bettie Scout posts. Essentially, Steve and his wife, Jani (who created the Bettie Scouts' logo), spent the first day with Bettie autographing a huge stack of photos from fans who made requests. The next two days, Steve and Jani went sightseeing with Bettie around Los Angeles, with Bettie playing tour guide. That included a trip to visit the Q.E. II, which was docked there at the time.


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Re: Help Chip Plumb Bettie's Depths
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:26 pm 
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Chip wrote:
Several references have been made to the influence of Dave Stevens in recent spikes in interest in Bettie Page.
Other than the movie (with Gretchen Mol et al) can you point to other factors that would be of interest to readers?
I purchased a BP t-shirt from Hot Topics retail store a few years ago. Is there a driving force behind retailers interest?

You're asking complex questions, Chip. But you're in the right place to ask! Bettie's evolution from under-the-counter camera cutie to cult icon, unintentionally influencing 21st century pop culture, is one of Mark Mori's interests.

By the way, hope your tee-shirt collection will include the official BETTIE PAGE REVEALS ALL tee-shirt, designed by Hollywood Costume Designer, Carol Ramsey!

http://www.neoflix.com/store/SIN01


Regarding Mary Harron's film, THE NOTORIOUS BETTIE PAGE, there are assorted mentions about it threaded through this Forum. They boil down to this:

Despite Harron doing extensive research about Bettie's life, the screenplay reflected extreme dramatic license. In my opinion, the movie was wrongly marketed as a biopic. It should have been released as "inspired by" Bettie's life; it was not about Bettie's life. You'll be hearing from Bettie about that during BETTIE PAGE REVEALS ALL.

The biggest conceptual obstacle Harron's movie created was that it accentuated fabricated Bettie details. Herb and I regularly run into people who tell us they know all about Bettie because of THE NOTORIOUS BETTIE PAGE -- which means they don't know much of anything about her life. That's why Bettie's fans are eager to watch BETTIE PAGE REVEALS ALL, as Bettie's first and only authorized film documentary.


Here's a brief overview of Bettie's resurgence:

Let's start with Stevens. Ever flipped through John Morrow's The Collected Jack Kirby Collector, Volume 5? There's this nutshell recap: Stevens was asked if he started the Bettie cult or if it already existed. He replied, "I think it was always there, just dormant; a fond remembrance on the part of the guys who had been collecting her photos for twenty years prior. Then, when they learned that there was some kid drawing a Bettie lookalike in this comic book, they started writing me letters, and that was the first clue I had that this was bigger than just me -- imitations popping up in other comics; and people were suddenly drawing her on all sorts of products. It was like a runaway train."


Stevens wasn't the only notable artist with a Bettie passion. For example, during the late 1970s, artist Robert Blue immortalized Bettie on giant canvases. Karen Essex and James L. Swanson, who authored Bettie's 1996 authorized biography (Bettie Page: The Life of a Pin-Up Legend), mentioned a 1976 gallery opening for Blue; I've seen the invitation for Blue's Bettie offerings during September, 1977, titled "Homage to Betty Page."


Check out Steve Sullivan's VaVaVoom! (1995) Bettie Page chapter. Sullivan noted, "While she had retained a loyal following for years, it would be during the late 1970s and early 80s that the phenomenon began to take on larger dimensions."


Bettie's photos were printed regularly, long after she quit modeling in December, 1957. There's a thread on this Forum about a session Bettie did in 1958 with Bunny Yeager; for all intents and purposes, however, December, 1957 was Bettie's official date for leaving the modeling world.

From 1958 through the 1960s, girlie magazine publishers regularly repackaged and reprinted Bettie's photos. Many concocted interviews that made it sound like she was still active in the modeling business.


Hopefully, you've checked the recaps on Ken's wonderful ExcaliburWeb.org, which will give you a sense of just how widespread interest in Bettie was:

The Bettie Mae Page List:

http://excaliburweb.org/bettie-mae-page-list/index.htm


Publication Thumbnails:

http://excaliburweb.org/main-index/Publications%20Thumbnails/index.html

Important: ExcaliburWeb.org is a reference library. All images are for personal use. If you decide to use files from ExcaliburWeb in any of your articles, you will need Ken Rivernbark's permission.


Bettie was featured non-stop in Movie Star News' catalogs. There's a consensus that these appearances fueled the mystery of her whereabouts, sparking outrageous Elvis-type sightings that took on a life of their own. In one of the trailers for BETTIE PAGE REVEALS ALL, Bunny Yeager is heard mentioning such tales:



Tapping directly into the mystery, uniting old -- and new -- Bettie fans to carry the "where's Bettie" torch, was Greg Theakston's THE BETTY PAGES (1987 - 1993). This was a seminal glitzy zine in Bettie's revival history.

One of the first major articles to tap into the "where's Bettie" phenomenon was written for ROLLING STONE (October 16, 1989) by I.S. Levine, titled "The Case of the Vanished Pinup." If you saw the April 27, 1997 E! documentary about Bettie, Levine was one of the talking heads, as was Greg Theakston.


Diehard Bettie fans subscribed not only to THE BETTY PAGES, but the Bob Schultz labor of love, FOND MEMORIES. It was a privately printed newsletter for her most ardent fans and collectors, begun in 1991. Issue "L" was the first to be printed for more extensive distribution and announced that it was Bettie's authorized fanzine. FOND MEMORIES coined the term "Bettieology" to describe the study and appreciation of all things Bettie Page.

FOND MEMORIES' spirit gave birth to the original Bettie Page fan club, the Bettie Scouts of America. It was co-founded by Bob Schultz and Steve Brewster on September 9, 1992, and authorized by Bettie during December, 1992. Though FOND MEMORIES is no longer printed, the Bettie Scouts transitioned to the digital age, with a home in Yahoo Groups:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bettiescoutsofamerica



Some people attribute the start of the Bettie revival to J.B. Rund's PRIVATE PEEKS' 1978 debut. Its readers were captivated -- despite cover prices perceived as outrageously high by many, and its on-the-fly scrapbook layout (including some accidental non-Bettie photos). PRIVATE PEEKS' popularity speaks to the power of Bettie's photos.

It all turned into a snowball effect. As each new Bettie item appeared, new enthusiasts joined the Bettie fanbase.

Entrepreneurs took note. The end result was a cottage industry for Bettie-themed products. It's important to realize that it was a spontaneous phenomenon, occurring without Bettie's awareness or participation.

By the time reporter Bob Schapiro tracked down and interviewed Bettie for LIFESTYLES OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS (original air date was November 14, 1992), Bettie described herself as "penniless and infamous." All around her, people were pocketing profits by selling her image, without paying a cent to Bettie. That led to Bettie's decision to hire an agent.


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Re: Help Chip Plumb Bettie's Depths
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:27 pm 
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In terms of Bettie's resurgence path, we can't ignore musicians who kept her memory alive.

One of the earliest was Chris Spedding's driving rock tune-ski, "Hey Miss Betty," released March, 1979 on his GUITAR GRAFFITI album. According to Spedding's website, this album was "recorded in 1978 and from Hurt Tour in UK in 1977." Until MP3 formats arrived, his Bettie tribute on vinyl was a hard-to-find Bettie goody.

As an aside, it was one of the music tracks slotted into Herb's authorized Bettie show -- direct from Herb's vinyl collection.



I'm not a Spedding expert. He's performed this song many times and it's on more than one album. I'm unsure which version was posted to YouTube.


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